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Ian800
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PostSubject: Cobra Fi2000 Fuel Management?   Wed Jun 26, 2013 7:00 pm

Chaps, following some sage advise from Captain Crash and a little research I'm considering the Cobra Fi2000 fuel computer.  I've read the threads on the forum which have been very useful, thank you.  However, since the initial reports and positive feelings there has been no further comment.  Could I ask those of you who have fitted the unit to let me know how things have gone since and if there have been any issues encountered.  Thanks for your help and advise.
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PostSubject: Re: Cobra Fi2000 Fuel Management?   Wed Jun 26, 2013 10:12 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Cobra Fi2000 Fuel Management?   Wed Jun 26, 2013 10:37 pm

Proudtexson wrote:
installed this one . very satisfied with results. better throttle response. fuel mileage went down some. I recommend it.

  Very easy to fit, Just plugs onto the injector connections and away you go, No maps, No adjusting anything, It corrects the fuel ratio to whatever set up you have, A little expensive, But worth it for peace of mind knowing it's the perfect setup.
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PostSubject: Re: Cobra Fi2000 Fuel Management?   Wed Jun 26, 2013 10:38 pm

Hi Ian I fitted the Cobra Tri Pot

New Cobra Fi2000 Fuel Processor Suzuki... $162.50 

      If you look at Tex link you will see it there.

I have had this for ages now and have not had any trouble with it at all.These machines are approx 50 bhp so why pay out out exouberant prices to get an extra 2/3 bhp,all you nead is something to adjust your fuel for you.Good luck your thoughts may be different from mine.
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PostSubject: Re: Cobra Fi2000 Fuel Management?   Thu Jun 27, 2013 2:44 am

Running with aftermarket pipes and hi-flo filter will actually reap approximately  8 bhp when set up right, that's a lot of extra power. A few of the members with stock bikes that have ridden mine have been surprised at the difference in power available on comparison.
Which module to go for though is all dependent on how much you want to spend, if money was no object I would have bought one of those but I didn't and bought the Healtech one instead. the good thing with those ones is that no matter what changes you make, it will adjust immediately without you needing to concern yourself with getting involved in any way. Mine has been on a free dyno run and my setup was nearly perfect, so there would be no power difference but then if I made any changes to the running condition it wouldn't be. However when I have run the bike baffled I couldn't tell any difference so slight changes probably matter very little. For me cash talks and as much as I would have wanted one of those my wallet said no.
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PostSubject: Re: Cobra Fi2000 Fuel Management?   Thu Jun 27, 2013 7:24 am

Thanks everybody, extremely helpful as usual.

Dave with your Healtech unit how much set-up did you need to do and what did that involve ?  As Alfie says I'm not that bothered about outright power. As an old engineer I just like things to work efficiently and object to spending money I don't need too.  Hence a K&N has a great appeal on both counts. After I've installed that the chance of me making any further mechanical changes are pretty slim so if the Healtech is cheaper and easy to setup then its an option I would have to consider. Not to mention that if our own Mr Intruder uses it then it must have something going in its favour
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PostSubject: Re: Cobra Fi2000 Fuel Management?   Thu Jun 27, 2013 7:05 pm

Ian I need to be clear, if money was no object when I bought mine I would have bought the Fi200O Pro, however it was, so I didn't and did a bit of research and shopped around instead. Why would I have bought it? Simply because it is akin to an electronic fuel management brain and will adjust without any external interference needed to the perfect setup at the blink of an eye. So you can change pipes or revert back to stock and it will be perfect. You can start with just pipes and add a filter later and it will accommodate immediately as those changes are made, again without any external interference and so on and on. The reason I would have bought one is simply this, I want to squeeze out every ounce of available power out of any bike that I own that the manufacturer was not gracious enough to give me in the first place and that is why my bike has a VS1400 drive conversion /Fuel injection management / Aftermarket pipes / Hi-Flo air filter / Timing retard eliminator and removal of the rev limitor.
The Healtech is a good bit of kit at a very reasonable price and is relatively easy to adjust. However my bike has been Dyno'd on a freebie day and what I found out from that was this: The Healtech comes with a couple of generic maps and the one that is done for aftermarket pipes (with or without hi-flo filter) is actually setup for aftermarket pipes with hi-flo filter, so would actualy be running slightly rich when used without a hi-flo filter. So anyway when we put my bike on the Dyno with Cruzer pipes and K&N, that map was nearly perfect and only very minor adjustments were made. Would there be much difference on this setup if a different set of pipes was used or a different hi-flo filter? Well the answer would be yes but the difference for our bikes would be marginal so in conclusion of this particular matter, the Healtech will work extremely well (in my opinion) with any aftermarket pipe or hi-flo filter that is available for our bikes with very little variant in mapping.
So in summary my advice to any member would be that if you are chasing every once of power, buy a Fi2000 Pro but if you just wanted to access the the available power that the bike has to offer (within reason) and have it running as the god lord intended (within reason), I would say buy the cheapest fuel injection module you can get your hands on that you know works. Healtech is a good option as it can be very fine tuned, however the Cobra Fi 200 Tri Pot as used by Alfie is also a very good buy and would be more than sufficient.
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PostSubject: Re: Cobra Fi2000 Fuel Management?   Thu Jun 27, 2013 7:57 pm

Thanks Dave, absolutely what I was looking for
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PostSubject: Re: Cobra Fi2000 Fuel Management?   Thu Jun 27, 2013 11:48 pm

OK dave so here is a question for you, we know you like to tinker but if you were looking for an easy to use and cheap FI processor and you did not like tinkering which one would you buy?
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PostSubject: Re: Cobra Fi2000 Fuel Management?   Fri Jun 28, 2013 1:38 am

Put simply, 3 pot Cobra.
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PostSubject: Re: Cobra Fi2000 Fuel Management?   Fri Jun 28, 2013 3:06 am

Fi2000 Pro because my daughter paid for it.
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Ian800
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PostSubject: Re: Cobra Fi2000 Fuel Management?   Fri Jun 28, 2013 11:30 am

Now that's 2 of the best reasons a bloke could possibly ask for Laughing 
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PostSubject: Re: Cobra Fi2000 Fuel Management?   Fri Jun 28, 2013 5:33 pm

No problem Ian, always glad to assist.
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PostSubject: Re: Cobra Fi2000 Fuel Management?   Fri Jun 28, 2013 7:52 pm

this is a great thread - thanks guys - reading with interest.

am i right in thinking the tri-pot tunes in much the same way as old style tuning of carbs?

really want an fi2000, but realistically don't think i will do more than zorst and filter (famous last words) :)
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PostSubject: Re: Cobra Fi2000 Fuel Management?   Sat Jun 29, 2013 12:27 am

I will bow out of this one as Alfie is your man for that particular model.
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PostSubject: Re: Cobra Fi2000 Fuel Management?   Sat Jun 29, 2013 2:36 pm

Basicly it is a unit with 3 dials, each dial has a setting for you alter your running,this is done electronicly,the old method was done with vacuum guages.Once done and to your liking you can just forget about,if you make further changes to your air/petrol set up it will need to be set again,not that you can do much when you have done your exhaust and  air filter mods.This was my thinking on getting this model as it does it's job fairly cheap,since I fitted and experimented with it have not had to alter it at all.Simple to fit 3 wires.one to injector wire,one to power,and one to earth.
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PostSubject: Re: Cobra Fi2000 Fuel Management?   Sat Jun 29, 2013 2:50 pm

Hi Alfie,
I`m thinking of fitting one of these, can you tell me have you noticed any significant drop in MPG since fitting the Fi2000, i understand if we have a bit more power to play with we will but once settled down MPG is always at the back of my mind,,, if you have noticed a difference is it an overall difference in MPG or maybe focused around town or on longer runs, i'd appreciate your input as we have the same bike and just about the same mods apart from the Fi2000.
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PostSubject: Re: Cobra Fi2000 Fuel Management?   Sat Jun 29, 2013 3:01 pm

To be honest I would not say there is a significant loss of mpg,I always fill back up at 150mls,and have never run out.My cruising speeds are roughly 60/65 mph and round town 30/35 mph.I have have the ocasional speed burst were appropiate,but mainly the rider I go out with a lot has a greedy VTX1800 Honda so I would end up waiting for him anyway,as he just likes to plod merrily along at 60/65.
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PostSubject: Re: Cobra Fi2000 Fuel Management?   Sat Jun 29, 2013 6:12 pm

John wrote:
 if you have noticed a difference is it an overall difference in MPG

If a bike with all the mods done was riding next to a bike with no mods done and they accelerated at exactly the same speed and changed gear at exactly the same point and both riders weighed exactly the same, there would be zero difference in fuel consumption. The difference in fuel consumption can only come into play when you use the additional available power increase.
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PostSubject: Re: Cobra Fi2000 Fuel Management?   Sun Jun 30, 2013 9:37 pm

CC wrote:
If a bike with all the mods done was riding next to a bike with no mods done and they accelerated at exactly the same speed and changed gear at exactly the same point and both riders weighed exactly the same, there would be zero difference in fuel consumption. The difference in fuel consumption can only come into play when you use the additional available power increase.

Absolutely spot on and well explained.
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PostSubject: Re: Cobra Fi2000 Fuel Management?   Tue Jul 02, 2013 4:50 pm

I've just been in contact with Mike Chadwick at Custom Cruisers regarding the Cobra Fi2000.  He tells me he can supply these at £279 for an M800.  I'm not sure if that includes the discount we get (thanks Dave) or not but it doesn't seem too bad a price.
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PostSubject: Re: Cobra Fi2000 Fuel Management?   Tue Jul 02, 2013 5:12 pm

Can we just be clear about which one you are looking at
FI2000 Tri Pot
Fi2000R
Fi2000 PowrPro Tuner
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Ian800
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PostSubject: Re: Cobra Fi2000 Fuel Management?   Tue Jul 02, 2013 5:13 pm

I asked him for the version that has the plugs on so it plugs directly into the existing wiring loom.  If I remember correctly that would be the Fi2000R
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PostSubject: Re: Cobra Fi2000 Fuel Management?   Tue Jul 02, 2013 5:27 pm

Just a thought -  are you buying an exhaust at the same time? if you are, and want the 2000r, it might be worth a chat with metric cruisers as they do 20% off the processor when you buy the exhaust (you get the 10% club discount off the exhaust, but not stackable on the processor) - i was quoted 240 on this basis.

(just for the record my conclusion was the r is less useful and less flexible than the healtech and more money, haven't investigated the prices of powerpro as yet, but at $600 us, it aint gonna be cheap in our neck of the woods)
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PostSubject: Re: Cobra Fi2000 Fuel Management?   Tue Jul 02, 2013 5:30 pm

I'm afraid not Rob.  The bike had the Roadhouse 65 specials fitted when I bought it.  I'm adding a K&N filter which is what has necessitated the fuel processor.  Mike has said he will give me a forum 5% discount but it wasn't clear if the £279 was with the discount or if the discount came off of the £279.
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PostSubject: Re: Cobra Fi2000 Fuel Management?   Tue Jul 02, 2013 6:26 pm

Would it not work out cheaper getting one from cruiser customizing? only $254 with postage it would probably be less than a couple of hundred pounds even if you get import duty.

 http://www.cruisercustomizing.com/cobra-fi2000r-fuel-management-system-boulevard-c50m50-05-08-not-for-use-in-california/part/BLV92-1826
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PostSubject: Re: Cobra Fi2000 Fuel Management?   Tue Jul 02, 2013 6:36 pm

Hadn't thought of that Sim.  
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PostSubject: Re: Cobra Fi2000 Fuel Management?   Tue Jul 02, 2013 8:36 pm

I buy most of my bits from the US, so often a lot cheaper even with the extra taxes and stuff added on.
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PostSubject: Re: Cobra Fi2000 Fuel Management?   Wed Jul 03, 2013 7:09 pm

Found one !  An Fi2000R for £211 from Motorcycle Superstore including all the VAT, duties and shipping.  It's on its way now.  Thank goodness I found another job on Monday
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PostSubject: Re: Cobra Fi2000 Fuel Management?   Wed Jul 03, 2013 7:25 pm

Nice one.
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PostSubject: Re: Cobra Fi2000 Fuel Management?   Wed Jul 03, 2013 8:40 pm

Bargain! Good luck with your new job 
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PostSubject: Re: Cobra Fi2000 Fuel Management?   Wed Jul 03, 2013 8:53 pm

Thanks Sim.  It's a new area for me so all a bit exciting.  I'm a bit strange like that, I thrive on change
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PostSubject: Re: Cobra Fi2000 Fuel Management?   Sat Jul 13, 2013 2:23 pm

It's all arrived and fitted.  An absolute doodle if anybody else is thinking about fitting one of these.  The K&N is in as well.  Something has definitely changed for the better, everything seems to run a lot smoother than before.  However, reading the instructions it would suggest that the Fi2000 default set-up is to allow for aftermarket exhausts and not a combination of the K&N and exhaust.  I'm not sure what to do at this point.  Do I need to adjust the Fi2000 or will it be OK as it is ?
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PostSubject: Re: Cobra Fi2000 Fuel Management?   Sat Jul 13, 2013 8:58 pm

I don't know that model so can't help but if the setup you have it on at the moment is for aftermarket pipes and you are only running on stock pipes, that's not an major issue. it just means rather than getting the extra power that K&N and aftermarket pipes will give you by flowing fast at both ends, you will be granted just minimal extra power but the bike will be running rich. Always better to run rich than run lean.
Hopefully someone with that model will chip in here.
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PostSubject: Re: Cobra Fi2000 Fuel Management?   Sat Jul 13, 2013 9:00 pm

Before you start altering,run it for day or two Ian,it may settle down to were it wants to be itself.I have the tri pot which in essence is the same as yours just different connections.my set up from factory was green 3.5 yellow 5 red 3.5 I have V&H Cruisers as well as K&N air filter,I have messed around fine tuneing it but can not honestly say there is no vast change from the initial change I got after first fitting it.I am made up it sorts my fuel out for me,it does what it says on the packet good piece of kit.
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PostSubject: Re: Cobra Fi2000 Fuel Management?   Sat Jul 13, 2013 9:04 pm

Thanks Alfie. The trip to the Ace Cafe tomorrow should show up if there are any issues. So long as there is little chance of me doing damage then I'm happy
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PostSubject: tri pot instuctions   Sat Jul 13, 2013 9:10 pm

" />Here ars the instructions for the tri pot,for people to see what is being discussed.sorry it is not staight and creased but it is two years old.
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PostSubject: Re: Cobra Fi2000 Fuel Management?   Sat Jul 13, 2013 10:09 pm

Just went to look for the instructions on setup from the Cobra site, which are downloadable in PDF format.
The standard setup is 3.5 / 5 / 3.5 This setup is a generic setup for aftermarket and slip on pipes but with a stock air filter. The bit I am unsure from your post if you are running stock pipes or as your signature says, you are running "Roadhouse Sixty-Five Specials".
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PostSubject: Re: Cobra Fi2000 Fuel Management?   Sat Jul 13, 2013 10:17 pm

They're aftermarket pipes Dave.   I would expect to have to richen the mixture up somewhere along the line but I'm not sure where. Anyway,  I'll talk to you about it tomorrow with a bit of luck
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PostSubject: Re: Cobra Fi2000 Fuel Management?   Sat Jul 13, 2013 10:33 pm

Just been doing a bit of research on this Ian and try this setup and see how you get on 4 / 5 / 4
I think that will be pretty close to what you require, you can then make adjustments as you see fit but you won't be far off what you need.
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PostSubject: Re: Cobra Fi2000 Fuel Management?   Tue Jul 16, 2013 7:19 am

Thanks Dave,  I've tried that and its running a treat.  Thank you everybody for all your advice, especially Crash for pointing out the need in the first place

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PostSubject: Re: Cobra Fi2000 Fuel Management?   Tue Dec 03, 2013 12:39 pm

FI 2000 Cobra, been reading with interest about this as its something i would like to do over the winter, along with the cone filter.

Q, Does it work if you still have O2 sensors fitted, Been reading up on it and some people mention about a Cobra unit with O2 sensor cables on it, Plus probs with the FI light coming on when fitting.

Also, is this the right unit? Unsure as it seems cheap.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Cobra-Fi2000R-Digital-Processor-92-1840-50/dp/B001AWJU76/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1386073670&sr=8-1&keywords=cobra+fi2000#productDetails

As always all youu help is appreciated. Thanks
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PostSubject: Re: Cobra Fi2000 Fuel Management?   Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:12 pm

Thats the one.

Mine is fitted with the O2 sensor still in-situ and works absolutely fine.  There isn't any connection to the O2 sensor with that model.  It actually sits between the ECU and the injectors although there is a model from Cobra that does have the O2 sensor connection as well.  I have an aftermarket exhaust fitted with a K&N airfilter and the settings Dave worked out above work pretty well.  I think they may be a little rich on a deceleration throttle but otherwise there have been no problems at all.
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PostSubject: Re: Cobra Fi2000 Fuel Management?   Tue Dec 03, 2013 4:19 pm

Ian800 wrote:
I think they may be a little rich on a deceleration throttle but otherwise there have been no problems at all.
Ian I am curious as to why your saying it is rich on deceleration. Is that experience because of an exhaust burble & popping on deceleration only? I actually rather like that   & is only usually experienced by bikers with after market pipes fitted. However this is easily rectified by doing the de-pairing modification?
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PostSubject: Re: Cobra Fi2000 Fuel Management?   Tue Dec 03, 2013 4:25 pm

Hi Dave, great to hear from you.  I quite like it myself which is why I haven't messed about with it too much yet.  I've had a few occasions where when I been coasting to a halt with the clutch in and the engine has cut out.  When I was running the slightly leaner settings this never happened and I did try running a little leaner again which stopped it.  Unfortunately it's been a particularly taxing year so I haven't had the time to test my thoughts in a meaningful way so this is just a theory at the moment.
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PostSubject: Re: Cobra Fi2000 Fuel Management?   Tue Dec 03, 2013 5:01 pm

Good to here from you to my friend.  
That's the good thing about these units, they are easily changed as and when. If the engine was cutting out while coasting & it was corrected by adjusting the pot then that's great but I am very surprised that those positions on the pots would make that happen? Which pot did you adjust, was it the green pot from 4 to 3.5 or something else?
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PostSubject: Re: Cobra Fi2000 Fuel Management?   Tue Dec 03, 2013 5:04 pm

Spot on.  That was the original setting on that pot before you kindly did the research and it seemed to work OK.  All the others were left where you advised and it has worked just fine.  I went on the RTTW this year with Millie on the back which turned out to be a 300 mile day and the bike never missed a beat in very varied riding conditions.
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PostSubject: Re: Cobra Fi2000 Fuel Management?   Tue Dec 03, 2013 5:43 pm

That's great to know, cheers

So as a note to ones self, after market pipes with Hi flo filter.

3.5 / 5 / 4   ... Tried & tested.


Thanks for the conformation, thanks Ian
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PostSubject: Re: Cobra Fi2000 Fuel Management?   Thu Dec 05, 2013 12:33 pm

Thanks Dave and Ian for your help.

The only question i have now, is that the unit i picked on the link, say'sCARB on it?
Im fuel injected, will this mater, or is it just saying its like a Carb.
Bit confussed now, dont wont to be buying the wrong thing, Puls its looks cheap compared to what
other members have paid.

Help welcomed as always.
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PostSubject: Re: Cobra Fi2000 Fuel Management?   Thu Dec 05, 2013 4:40 pm

Just phoned dave (Mr Intruder) & he said he doesn't have a cobra system so is not 100% sure but that he believes you must get the one that is the right one for your intended set up on the C800. So you must consider whether you will be keeping the O2  sensors still or or not?

If you want O2 sensor you will need 92-1827CL (closed loop)
If you dont or want have o2 sensors 92-1827

Sorry if I aint helped much but I am just passing on what I can remember him saying and then checked it and it seems to be spot on
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