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oiler
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PostSubject: Dealer say's no to straight shots..........???   Wed May 14, 2014 11:05 pm

Went from Ballycastle to Lisburn for fitting of my new V&H straightshot pipes. Guess what ? The pipes didn't fit !! Back to the drawing board. For now, I'll drill holes in stock pipes. Pleased to learn that in N Ireland, MOTs don't start until the bike's four years old. What a civilised country to live in !!
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PostSubject: Re: Dealer say's no to straight shots..........???   Thu May 15, 2014 7:48 am

That doesn't make sense at all, engine has not changed? Why did they not fit? how did they not fit? Was a mistake made on them ordering the pipes, as in was it for a C or M Intruder & not for another bike?
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PostSubject: Re: Dealer say's no to straight shots..........???   Thu May 15, 2014 7:59 am

This, Mr I, is where I learn the disadvantage of never having bothered to learn how to do things for myself. I'm at the mercy of others. Still, the money, when I get it back, will go towards/pay for extra lights, and some apes (who said you can't grow old disgracefully?).
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PostSubject: Re: Dealer say's no to straight shots..........???   Thu May 15, 2014 8:05 am

That's strange Clive? The V&H straight shots I have came off an M800 and they fitted perfectly.
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PostSubject: Re: Dealer say's no to straight shots..........???   Thu May 15, 2014 8:10 am

I'll speak to my 'fitter' later today to see what he means by 'they don't fit'. Anyway, the supplier, having promised, given a part number, and charged for quiet baffles, now says that was a mistake, quiet baffles aren't available for straight shots. I know that's not true, as I've seen quiet baffles on various sites. It's just too much bother now, ape hangers and extra lights here I come.
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PostSubject: Dealer say's no to straight shots..........   Thu May 15, 2014 8:35 am

Oh my word, I hate dealers that are thick & have no brain of there own.
If you have no luck with him then get a phone number and time of day number when I can talk to him personally and I will chat to him, Saturday would be good for me. Bloody dick.
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PostSubject: Re: Dealer say's no to straight shots..........???   Thu May 15, 2014 6:40 pm

Makes you think they are working solely off the fact sheet that they think that you gotta go by and you have to have bosses fitted to get them to work. Dealers always go 100% by the book without any room for maneuver, well unless its where they have messed something up and find a way to bodge something without telling you. And as the bosses and C02 sensors and bosses came as standard after a certain year they cant get their head around it. Just looked at the V&H site and they sell the straight shots up to 2009 only and we all know why that is, its because after that the bikes had the useless CO2 sensors fitted that we mostly do away with
Dave (Mr Intruder) I wouldnt bother talking to any dealer mate as they wont listen and as far as the will be concerned they know it all and you know fuck all. You will be wasting your breath  
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PostSubject: Re: Dealer say's no to straight shots..........???   Thu May 15, 2014 7:31 pm

I'm guessing you have a smart phone Clive? Just show him this picture of my 09 C800 with 2 CO2 sensors as standard, sporting V&H Straightshots from an 08-M800 fitted with only 1 sensor adapter (blocked off) on the exhausts, I'd be interested to know why he says they won't fit?
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PostSubject: Re: Dealer say's no to straight shots..........???   Thu May 15, 2014 7:57 pm

A very nice looking bike and an excellent suggestion with the photo Mr Simbo Sir. Can't blame the dealer too much as their knowledge is very generalized and led by manufacturer recommendations. Where as this site is 800cc Intruder specific so the knowledge here is king. They would be out of their depth in a conversation with either Mr Intruder or Mr Simbo so I would agree with Captain Crash with regards to you wasting your Breath Mr Intruder. Could I suggest that a photograph of the pipes fitted to a post C02 sensor fitted year of bike along with some basic information on what needs to be done post exhaust fitment taken from this site along with where the information was obtained.
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PostSubject: Re: Dealer say's no to straight shots..........???   Fri May 16, 2014 9:59 am

Further check with my 'fitter' as suggested by the forum, I learn that my V&H straightshot pipes WILL fit, when I was told they wouldn't fit he was referring to absence of O2 sensors. He agrees that we can do without these by adding some kind of blank off affair. I've spoken to a V&H dealer but can't get quiet baffles for straight shots They have them for SS pipes as fitted to Sportsters, but not Intruder (diameter probs I'm guessing) Can anyone on the forum suggest a supplier/fabricator for quiet baffles to fit a 2014 bike re V&H straight shots ?  I'm getting older by the day, and would really like them fitted before I die. Everlasting gratitude for anyone who can help  Thanks
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PostSubject: Re: Dealer say's no to straight shots..........???   Fri May 16, 2014 10:37 am

Maybe run them for a while first? My v&h with their own baffles seem just right. Everyone's preferred level is different of course. Here's to a great sounding bike!
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PostSubject: Re: Dealer say's no to straight shots..........???   Fri May 16, 2014 12:31 pm

Straightshots aren't that loud Clive, especially if you leave the baffles in with the wadding on them,  I found them to tame until I took the wadding off.
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PostSubject: Re: Dealer say's no to straight shots..........???   Fri May 16, 2014 2:32 pm

Well that is good to know that he now agrees  
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PostSubject: Re: Dealer say's no to straight shots..........???   Sat May 17, 2014 6:21 am

Can anyone on the forum suggest a supplier/fabricator for quiet baffles to fit a 2014 bike re V&H straight shots ?  I'm getting older by the day, and would really like them fitted before I die. Everlasting gratitude for anyone who can help  Thanks
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PostSubject: Re: Dealer say's no to straight shots..........???   Sat May 17, 2014 8:50 am

If you give these a ring they'll probably sort you out with quiet baffles Clive.
http://www.customcruisers.com/Custom2005/customshop2005/contents/en-uk/index.html
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PostSubject: Re: Dealer say's no to straight shots..........???   Sat May 17, 2014 9:35 am

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oiler
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PostSubject: Re: Dealer say's no to straight shots..........???   Sat May 17, 2014 10:45 pm

Thanks Simbo for your help. Will get onto these people first thing on Monday.
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PostSubject: Re: Dealer say's no to straight shots..........???   Sun May 25, 2014 7:13 pm

Thanks and respect again to Simbo. I've followed up the suggestions, and sourced 'quiet' baffles. Just a matter now of my fitter finding O2 blanks or whatever. Hopefully new V&H Straight Shots to be fitted an Friday (along with a really cool graphic from Marcin, pics to follow)
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PostSubject: Re: Dealer say's no to straight shots..........???   Sun May 25, 2014 7:36 pm

I take it all the other info and help here you didnt want  
Glad your sorted all the same  Wink
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PostSubject: Re: Dealer say's no to straight shots..........???   Sun May 25, 2014 8:01 pm

oiler wrote:
...Just a matter now of my fitter finding O2 blanks or whatever...
On my 2007 M800 it was done by cutting the pin23 wire at the ECU connector to disable the O2 sensor.

Maybe someone can confirm if it´s the same for the two O2 sensor versions.
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PostSubject: Re: Dealer say's no to straight shots..........???   Wed Jun 04, 2014 11:43 am

Just thought I would give a small update here of some possible movement. Last week I had a phone call from Northern Ireland, it was (Oiler's) Clive's dealer/mechanic, who was picking my brains for info & conformation with respect to his setup. So hopefully all is now moving in the right direction for him.
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PostSubject: Re: Dealer say's no to straight shots..........???   Wed Jun 04, 2014 3:09 pm

Thats good, we will have to wait for Clive to come back to us all on this one now   
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PostSubject: Re: Dealer say's no to straight shots..........???   Wed Jun 04, 2014 4:49 pm

I'm grateful to Mr I for freely offering his help on how next to proceed with my pipes. We now await O2 blanks (or something). When they arrive I'm off to get the pipes fitted. Pic to follow (if it ever happens)
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PostSubject: Re: Dealer say's no to straight shots..........???   Wed Jun 04, 2014 7:36 pm

No worries Clive, glad to of been assistance to them.  
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PostSubject: Re: Dealer say's no to straight shots..........???   Wed Jun 04, 2014 8:57 pm

oiler wrote:
I'm grateful to Mr I for freely offering his help on how next to proceed with my pipes. We now await O2 blanks (or something). When they arrive I'm off to get the pipes fitted. Pic to follow (if it ever happens)

I'm looking forward to the pics of those clive  
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PostSubject: Re: Dealer say's no to straight shots..........???   Wed Jun 04, 2014 9:06 pm

I know it seems like forever you have thought of doing this mod & a good while doing it but you are getting it done right, patience will give the right results.  
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PostSubject: Re: Dealer say's no to straight shots..........???   Wed Jun 04, 2014 9:20 pm

DocSjulle wrote:


On my 2007 M800 it was done by cutting the pin23 wire at the ECU connector to disable the O2 sensor.

Maybe someone can confirm if it´s the same for the two O2 sensor versions.

It's confirmed for models up to 2010 with two O2 sensors fitted, A member has recently shown a picture of his 2013 model ECU and pin 23 was blanked off? and another two pins were also blanked off? I'm not sure when this change from 2010 to 2013 wiring came about though? If anyone has a 11/12/13/14 model and could post a pic of the ECU plugs it would be very useful for further knowledge, It's under the right side panel and 3 hex bolts to loosen enough to get a picture, a very easy job to further the knowledge of the members.
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PostSubject: Re: Dealer say's no to straight shots..........???   Sun Jun 29, 2014 3:12 pm

Mr Intruder wrote:
I know it seems like forever you have thought of doing this mod & a good while doing it but you are getting it done right, patience will give the right results.  
Talk about patience !!  Still waiting, now some bosses have to be welded, no idea why unless the O2 blocker thingy's need bosses. Should be ready in about a week. That's the latest anyway.
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PostSubject: Re: Dealer say's no to straight shots..........???   Sun Jun 29, 2014 7:45 pm

Hmmmm I wonder why, possibly the existing CO2 sensor eliminators won't work on the 2013 model due to a wiring difference? Possibly they have decided that way is the way they prefer to do it, it's anybodies guess at the moment. That's the problem with not having a wiring diagram for the 2013 model.
Any info you can find out on why they have done it that way instead of using sensor eliminators would be gratefully received.
I told them the two ways that I knew could possibly work for a 2013 model due to the wiring difference but if it was just a choice they made that's fine. However if there was a reason they went that way rather than the other please let us know.
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PostSubject: Re: Dealer say's no to straight shots..........???   Mon Jun 30, 2014 2:25 pm

When (if ever) it's done, I'll write up for all to enjoy.
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PostSubject: Re: Dealer say's no to straight shots..........???   Mon Jun 30, 2014 10:30 pm

I admire your patience Clive, plus all the help you have been given from the forum .... sounds like a nail biting exercise .... & dealers can be a pain ... but I'm sure it will come good in the end .... & the straight-shot pipes do look the business.

Hope you are sorted soon    Yam
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PostSubject: Re: Dealer say's no to straight shots..........???   Mon Jun 30, 2014 11:26 pm

Many thanks to all who have supported this endeavour and given good advice. Pics will be promised.
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PostSubject: Re: Dealer say's no to straight shots..........???   Tue Jul 01, 2014 5:21 pm

Can't wait.
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PostSubject: Re: Dealer say's no to straight shots..........???   Sat Jul 05, 2014 10:23 pm

Still no news of my hoped for pipes. Been several months now. I'm hoping no-one has done a runner with my money !!
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PostSubject: Re: Dealer say's no to straight shots..........???   Sun Jul 06, 2014 7:46 am

I am having trouble understanding why it is taking days, let alone weeks, let alone months. So what do they say to you when you ring them?
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PostSubject: Re: Dealer say's no to straight shots..........???   Sun Jul 06, 2014 9:48 am

Dave, About nine days ago, the guy fitting (you've spoken to) said he'd talk to someone to get the bosses welded on. He was to talk to them last Monday. Tomorrow being seven days.I'll ask for an update.
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PostSubject: Re: Dealer say's no to straight shots..........???   Sun Jul 06, 2014 10:37 am

Bloody hell thats crap, I take it you still have the bike until they are ready to do what they need to?
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PostSubject: Re: Dealer say's no to straight shots..........???   Sun Jul 06, 2014 12:22 pm

Yes Capt, I still have the bike and am riding. However, as Suzuki seem to have saved money by painting the black pipes rather than powder-coating, large chunks of paint have fallen off the lower pipe at the rear, and worn off at the front. The suzuki dealer has a new pipe for me, and I'll swap them when (if ever) I get my new V&H's. The black pipes will the live in  the loft until MOT time which is a civilised four years over here.
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PostSubject: Re: Dealer say's no to straight shots..........???   Tue Jul 08, 2014 7:41 am

The guy responsible for fitting my pipes says he's given them to a welder for fitting of bosses. He's now away until 21st, so they can't be fitted to my bike before them. This guy was highly recommended to me! Maybe the problems aren't is fault, and anyway his area of expertise is tuning up racing bikes, for all I know this could be the first cruiser he's ever worked on. Anyway, he's friendly. In the light of my exceptional patience, I'm thinking of applying to the Pope for sainthood (I know you normally have to be dead, but this is exceptional, and anyway, I could well be dead of old age before the pipes are fitted). I've been promised a full break-down of all this to put on the site, in case it helps other members contemplating these particular pipes (keep waiting Dave, I am !!)
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PostSubject: Re: Dealer say's no to straight shots..........???   Tue Jul 08, 2014 8:17 am

Yes you deserve a Sainthood Clive, I have a direct phone line to the Pope and I put in a request this very morning at 07.42am.  
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PostSubject: Re: Dealer say's no to straight shots..........???   Tue Jul 08, 2014 9:05 am

Wow Oiler, epic journey, Mr I your a star, would have sent the boys round by now!
Got V&H Cruzers on order hope I don't have such a hassle!
Great for others not for you, hope it's soon sorted.
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PostSubject: Re: Dealer say's no to straight shots..........???   Tue Jul 08, 2014 3:42 pm

George I have no idea what year your bike is but as I can't find reference to it anywhere. However if your avatar is anything to go by, you will not have any problems, simply cutting a wire is all you will need to do. Saint Clive having a post 2010 bike has us all of a quandary as we still can't find a wiring diagram for one.  
Note to self:- Must look harder.  Embarassed
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PostSubject: Re: Dealer say's no to straight shots..........???   Tue Jul 08, 2014 8:33 pm

Hi Mr I, just for your info 55 plate VL C800 intruder. No big deal will check out when they arrive, will let everyone know and maybe add some photos etc. Marcin did a great job for me! Will keep looking myself
Thanks again
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PostSubject: Re: Dealer say's no to straight shots..........???   Tue Jul 08, 2014 9:57 pm

                             

BIG RESPECT to Saint Clive for giving us all a lesson in patience  ......
..........   hats off to you Sir, & I hope it all comes good before the end of the month !

Love the new 'Tag' on your avatar    ....... 'cos your worth it !  


Ohhhhh .... & THANK YOU to the site administrators for my new 'Tag'   


I'm glad to be involved with the forum !     Yam
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PostSubject: Re: Dealer say's no to straight shots..........???   Sat Jul 26, 2014 8:18 am

I've finally GIVEN UP. I've been told that there are now difficulties with welding bosses onto pipes. No need for further excuses mechanic had said there's (yet another) possibility to explore. I simply said 'no thanks'. I'm now awaiting a refund (about £550.00). I'll then just drill holes in my back-plates and leave it at that. God never meant me to have after market pipes. As befits my 'sainthood' so kindly conferred upon me by Mr I, I have thanked the mechanic for all his efforts, and appreciate that it's not his fault, and don't want him to be out of pocket on my behalf, so he can deduct any reasonable expenses for himself. He will now return the pipes, and in due course, I'll get some money back. Can't wait. (Yesterday, I got done for slightly speeding as well. Not my week, but hey, a new week starts tomorrow)
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PostSubject: Re: Dealer say's no to straight shots..........???   Sat Jul 26, 2014 10:32 am

It certainly looks like you have been given the run around here with this, you say they can deduct any out of pocket expenses they have, from the money you have paid them which is very kind and generous of you, however I think they should be paying you compensation for such an appalling service.
Purchasing and having aftermarket exhausts fitted and all that goes with it ie welding sensor bosses etc is an every day thing to any decent bike shop/mechanic, many members on this forum have done this with no problem, so don't be put off go elsewhere, with a little research you will be able to get this done satisfactory. Good luck.
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PostSubject: Re: Dealer say's no to straight shots..........???   Sun Jul 27, 2014 8:20 am

No disrespect but it sounds like they are not anywhere near upto the job, Several months to get nowhere, pay them nothing  
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PostSubject: Re: Dealer say's no to straight shots..........???   Sun Jul 27, 2014 10:47 am

Have you considered hopping  on a boat with your bike and get them fitted over here where it sounds like there's a few more people who know what they're doing? More hassle and cost I know, but just an idea...
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PostSubject: Re: Dealer say's no to straight shots..........???   Sun Jul 27, 2014 11:38 am

That is ridiculous that the so called mechanic could not fit the pipes.
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PostSubject: Re: Dealer say's no to straight shots..........???   Sun Jul 27, 2014 10:24 pm

bigmal wrote:
Have you considered hopping  on a boat with your bike and get them fitted over here where it sounds like there's a few more people who know what they're doing? More hassle and cost I know, but just an idea...

I'm really sorry for the annoyance your having with the fitting of the Straight Shots Clive, You must be so disheartened and angry with being messed about so much!   If I could offer a 2nd option to Mal's idea? If there's a possibility of you retaining the pipes and being reimbursed the price of fitting? You could send me the down pipes only and I'd get the bosses welded on for you then send them back for you to fit yourself (along with a friend, I know Mechanics ain't your thing)?  I'd be more than happy to do this, as another option? You could send me the downpipes for the fitting of the bosses, then have a ride over with the silencers in a ruck sack for a day and night in sunny Chadderton and I'll fit them for you? I'd offer you a bed for the night/weekend but, Elvis is having a few adolescent issues at the moment so even though I'd be willing to go to church (next door) Sunday morning... I don't think you'd make it lol.  So alternatively, there's a travel lodge 200 yards up the road, where we could sample their fine ales and food     .  Jo could take you horse riding too! if that's your thing? Some of those young girls look pretty fine in their Jods n Boots  
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