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mare1411
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PostSubject: is fi2000 needed?   Tue Jul 01, 2014 2:02 pm

I already have open air filter and now i would like to debaffle exhaust. In that case is the power commander a must? Can there be anythong wrong if i don owe one?

Thanks
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PostSubject: Re: is fi2000 needed?   Tue Jul 01, 2014 3:36 pm

Hi,
you can do anything to the exhaust, but as soon as you touch to the intake side (even change the filter to different type) you definitely need power commander or some other controller like that.

Your bike has already been tuned to run quite lean from the factory, and for that oem-filter only, and now if you just change the air filter to give more air to the engine, you really are making it to run even leanier.

Here are Typical Lean Conditions (copypasta from somewhere):
- Poor acceleration; the engine feels flat.
- The engine won't respond when the throttle is snapped open, but it picks up speed as the throttle is closed. (A too-large main jet also mimics this symptom.)
- The engine runs hot, knocks, pings and overheats.
- The engine surges or hunts when cruising at part-throttle.
- Popping or spitting through the carb occurs when the throttle is opened. Or popping and spitting occurs through the pipe on deceleration with a closed throttle.
- The engine runs better in warm weather, worse in cool.
- Performance gets worse when the air filter is removed.
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PostSubject: Re: is fi2000 needed?   Tue Jul 01, 2014 5:12 pm

I look at it like this,with the fuel injected Intruder:
Having a free flowing exhaust, no problem.
Having a free flowing air filter, no problem.
Having a free flowing air filter & free flowing exhaust, no way.
Combine the two & you have to have a FI Module of some description. We have a bike that is running slightly lean from the factory. However it is fuel injected, so has the capability to change the mixture to a small degree. It will always try to keep its mix as set within its programme, so making a change to either the flow in or out is within it's capability. However it does not have the capability to make enough of a change to deal with increased flow to the input & output when they are both running at a higher flow rate. 
So I would say that although you only a high flow filter, altering the stock exhaust pipes means they are no longer stock. You will have increased the flow rate of the exhaust & when combined with the increased flow of the filter your flow will be to high. You will of taken your bike out of its capability to stay within the slightly lean condition as set by the factory to a very lean state. That is a no, no.
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PostSubject: Re: is fi2000 needed?   Tue Jul 01, 2014 5:15 pm

Thanks. I will start to search for a fi module. If anyone has one to sell or knows a cheap store, please let me know (m800, 2005)
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PostSubject: Re: is fi2000 needed?   Tue Jul 01, 2014 5:41 pm

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PostSubject: Re: is fi2000 needed?   Tue Jul 01, 2014 9:31 pm

Yes that one will fit according to the item description, you need to check it's part number 92-0826 to confirm it's the correct one for your bike though.
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PostSubject: Re: is fi2000 needed?   Tue Jul 01, 2014 10:57 pm

Ive been using that one for ages now and find it works well.
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PostSubject: Re: is fi2000 needed?   Wed Jul 02, 2014 7:06 am

ok. I now found this one:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000GZLJ90/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A3TGC5XRRCX4P2

fi2000r - it has connectors on. I think is worth spending extra 15$ for that
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PostSubject: Re: is fi2000 needed?   Wed Jul 02, 2014 8:50 am

Marko, I notice your bike is a 2005 model. Is it FI or carburetted? As far as I know a power commander or such like is only suitable for the FI model. Not too sure when they changed to FI.
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PostSubject: Re: is fi2000 needed?   Wed Jul 02, 2014 8:52 am

fi model
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PostSubject: Re: is fi2000 needed?   Wed Jul 02, 2014 9:00 am

Very good, I thought it was worth mentioning.
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PostSubject: Re: is fi2000 needed?   Mon Jul 07, 2014 6:35 am

ok. i ordered from amazon.
Now i just have to wait...
Has anyone got any detailed instructions how to set up fi2000?
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PostSubject: Re: is fi2000 needed?   Tue Jul 08, 2014 10:11 pm

Hi Marko the one you have ordered should be plug and play.The three pots are easy to work out.
ie: Green Pot: this adjustment effects idle and cruise fuel.
    Yellow Pot: this adjustment effects acceleration and power fuel.
     Red Pot: this pot controls the top end (power) fuel.

Normally green and yellow are the ones to adjust by turning them half a turn clockwise to richen the mix a bit.

Hope this helps,they are a good unit in my estimation.
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PostSubject: Re: is fi2000 needed?   Tue Jul 22, 2014 6:03 pm

Hello.
I bought fi2000r for my suzuki m50 2006.
I connected as described in manual but i have a problem.
After switch on.. the lights turn on as they should for about 3 seconds and then they turn off. But when I start the motor all the lights are on?!? (It should be only green). What could this be? I checked connectors an ground cable three times. The bike is running but the lights on fi2000r are all on.
Has anyone have a solution?

Thanks

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PostSubject: Re: is fi2000 needed?   Wed Jul 23, 2014 9:37 pm

What does it say on the fitting instructions regarding the lights Marko? I tried downloading the instructions from Cobra but they don't work? (error 404) On my Cobra processor (different model) the light stays on constantly when the bike is running.
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PostSubject: Re: is fi2000 needed?   Thu Jul 24, 2014 5:44 am

it says that if all the lights are on to check the connections.
I checked the a couple of times and they seem fine.
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PostSubject: Re: is fi2000 needed?   Thu Jul 24, 2014 9:11 am

I read about someone recently elsewhere that found a dodgy connection inside the unit, where something was not making a proper connection.
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PostSubject: Re: is fi2000 needed?   Thu Jul 24, 2014 12:53 pm

i will test connections today.. with Voltmeter
first cables and then connector inside the module..
I hope I will find something...

From cobra they sent me an email saying to check where the wire harness connects to the circuit.
They also said tha it is possible that fi regardings the led lights still works as it should ?!?

marko
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PostSubject: Re: is fi2000 needed?   Thu Jul 24, 2014 4:53 pm

I checked cables and connectors.. all are fine! 
The bike doesnt ride better. Is there anything else i can do?

I will try to contact seller from amazon.
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PostSubject: Re: is fi2000 needed?   Thu Jul 24, 2014 5:56 pm

Must i disconnect o2 sensor or pair valve?
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PostSubject: Re: is fi2000 needed?   Thu Jul 24, 2014 7:12 pm

I don't know the fi2000 model but I can not see any reason why you should need to disconnect either the 02 sensor or pair valve. An increase in power should be evident straight away.
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PostSubject: Re: is fi2000 needed?   Thu Jul 24, 2014 7:54 pm

mare1411 wrote:
i will test connections today.. with Voltmeter
first cables and then connector inside the module..
I hope I will find something...

From cobra they sent me an email saying to check where the wire harness connects to the circuit.
They also said tha it is possible that fi regardings the led lights still works as it should ?!?

marko

The answer Cobra have given you seems as if they are saying the unit could be faulty, I think a good course of action would be to return it for a replacement or a refund.
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PostSubject: Re: is fi2000 needed?   Mon Jul 28, 2014 5:54 pm

Sadly they said that warranty is only valid in usa
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PostSubject: Re: is fi2000 needed?   Mon Jul 28, 2014 6:42 pm

mare1411 wrote:
I checked cables and connectors.. all are fine! 
The bike doesnt ride better. Is there anything else i can do?

I will try to contact seller from amazon.

Is there any change when you alter the pot settings with the screws?
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PostSubject: Re: is fi2000 needed?   Mon Jul 28, 2014 6:43 pm

Sadly no
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PostSubject: Re: is fi2000 needed?   Mon Jul 28, 2014 6:49 pm

If there's no loose or faulty connections? it looks like a faulty unit, do you have any refund or exchange possibilities with the seller as opposed to the manufacturer? I was under the impression you had a right under the sale of faulty goods act?
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PostSubject: Re: is fi2000 needed?   Mon Jul 28, 2014 6:54 pm

I will try to open dispute.
I checked all the connections with voltmeter (buzzer) an they are fine.
Also when connected i putted bike in service mode an there are no errors.
So i think the unit is faulty.
All three leds are on.
The only thing that worries me is that my m800 in somehow diferent from m50?
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PostSubject: Re: is fi2000 needed?   Mon Jul 28, 2014 7:24 pm

mare1411 wrote:
I will try to open dispute.
I checked all the connections with voltmeter (buzzer) an they are fine.
Also when connected i putted bike in service mode an there are no errors.
So i think the unit is faulty.
All three leds are on.
The only thing that worries me is that my m800 in somehow diferent from m50?

Yeah, I had a look at the installation instructions, 3 steady lights for a few seconds or until started and then one green, M50 and M800 are the same model it's just that in the USA the 50 stands for "50 cubic inches" as opposed to our Metric 800cc (805cc to be precise lol)
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PostSubject: Re: is fi2000 needed?   Mon Jul 28, 2014 8:41 pm

i get 3 steady light at start and then they go off. After I start the bike all 3 lights go on and they stay on.
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PostSubject: Re: is fi2000 needed?   Mon Jul 28, 2014 9:22 pm

Must be a faulty unit then  :7348:   , I'm not sure of the rights in Slovenia? but over here, it's the responsibility of the seller to refund or exchange the goods for a certain amount of time,(90 days comes to mind?) and then it's the manufacturers responsibility for the duration of the guarantee, if you bought from Amazon? They're usually pretty good with returns.
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PostSubject: Re: is fi2000 needed?   Mon Jul 28, 2014 11:14 pm

Sale of goods Act 1979 (as amended)
If you want protection when you are shopping, this is the law you need to know.
The Sale of Goods Act 1979 (as amended) is crucial for consumers because it refers to laws which have extended the basic 1979 Act and using the phrase tells the trader that not only do you know basic consumer law, you know it has been amended too.

The Sale of Goods Act lays down several conditions that all goods sold by a trader must meet. 
The goods must be:


  • as described
  • of satisfactory quality
  • fit for purpose


As described refers to any advert or verbal description made by the trader.
Satisfactory quality covers minor and cosmetic defects as well as substantial problems. It also means that products must last a reasonable time. But it doesn't give you any rights if a fault was obvious or pointed out to you at point of sale.
Fit for purpose covers not only the obvious purpose of an item but any purpose you queried and were given assurances about by the trader.
If you buy something which doesn't meet these conditions you have the potential right to return it, get a full refund, and if it will cost you more to buy similar goods elsewhere, compensation (to cover the extra cost) too.
Note however that the right to reject goods and get a full refund only lasts for a relatively short time after which a buyer is deemed to have 'accepted' goods. This doesn't mean that the buyer has no legal redress against the seller, just that he/she isn't entitled to a full refund.
Instead a buyer is first and foremost entitled to have the goods repaired or replaced. If these remedies are inappropriate, then you're entitled to a suitable price reduction, or to return the goods and get a refund (reduced to take account of any wear and tear).
The act covers second-hand items and sales. But if you buy privately your only entitlement to your money back is if the goods aren't 'as described'.
If goods which are expected to last six months don't, it'll be presumed that the goods didn't conform to the contract at the time they were bought unless the seller can prove to the contrary.
In all other situations it's for the consumer to prove their own case (that is, that the problem existed at the time of the contract). This will prove more difficult the longer you've had the goods. Subject to this a consumer has six years from the time they buy something in which to make a claim irrespective of how long the goods actually last.

This is The sale of goods act, I think Amazon will have to adhere to this act even if the goods are sent abroad, it's certainly worth getting in touch with them, as Sim has said Amazon are usually good on returns.
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PostSubject: Re: is fi2000 needed?   Tue Jul 29, 2014 6:53 pm

Got it right!!!
Its working!!!
It was a faulty connection.... but on the connector on fi plate.
The blue and red cable were wrong!
When I took the board out from plastic  housing I saw that on electric board is written where + and where e goes.
I read before the old fi2000 (not r) what wich cable is!

I am so happy right now!!
Thanjs all for help
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PostSubject: Re: is fi2000 needed?   Tue Jul 29, 2014 7:02 pm

Glad you got it sorted Marko  
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PostSubject: Re: is fi2000 needed?   Tue Jul 29, 2014 7:03 pm

I'm pleased you got it sorted.
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PostSubject: Re: is fi2000 needed?   Tue Jul 29, 2014 9:50 pm

Thats ace, nice one Marko
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