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PostSubject: Tyre Questions   Tyre Questions Icon_minitimeTue Aug 06, 2013 12:21 pm

Gents,

Are there any particular websites you use to stock up on tyres?
I've seen Sim mention Oponeo.

Since my tyres are 11 years old (!) I will be looking at replacing them ASAP
Thanks a bunch Sim for pointing this out to me. Who knows, you might have saved my life as it would not cross my mind to check the age..just the thread.

Since I wanted to paint white walls on mine I will simply buy white walls and be done with it.
Metzelers are being the favourite here from what I've read so far.

Also, I noticed people buying different sizes so I'll ask...what is the recommended size for rear and front?
170/80/15 rear and 130/90/16 front? What's the deal with buying bigger rear? Performance? Looks?

Many thanks!

P.S - Is it problematic to replace the tyres yourself? I don't mind giving it a go if it's within newbie range.
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PostSubject: Re: Tyre Questions   Tyre Questions Icon_minitimeTue Aug 06, 2013 2:56 pm

A rear tyre that is on a vl800 serves no purpose being larger than stock as it is not an exposed like it is on some other bikes so makes no difference to looks. Also a wider tyre does not always end up wider if the rim is not as wide as the tyre was originally intended to go on to and will actually end up taller due to minor distortion. Wider tyres where they have no cosmetic reason are not usually good for anything other than making cornering harder as wider tyres do not fall into the corners as well as a thinner tyre. Fitting tyres is not for the faint hearted, if you have not done it before I would say that you should not even attempt it on your shiny chromed wheels
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PostSubject: Re: Tyre Questions   Tyre Questions Icon_minitimeTue Aug 06, 2013 3:19 pm

Easy! ... if you have a tyre machine that is Tyre Questions 852880
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PostSubject: Re: Tyre Questions   Tyre Questions Icon_minitimeTue Aug 06, 2013 3:35 pm

Joe..Tyre Questions 2164642469 

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PostSubject: Re: Tyre Questions   Tyre Questions Icon_minitimeTue Aug 06, 2013 4:42 pm

Just ordered a rear Michelin Commander 2 from oponeo. Delivered within 5 working days of ordering plus MOT Ayr will fir it for £20. Front tyre will be purchased in Sept....
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PostSubject: Re: Tyre Questions   Tyre Questions Icon_minitimeTue Aug 06, 2013 4:57 pm

Marcin, what condition are your tyre's in?, side walls and tread wise? Just because they're 11 years old, it doesn't automatically mean they're Knackered, put your bike on the jack and deflate your tyre's so they're more pliable, then give them a good inspection for cracks, cuts or perished spots, If they're fine? run them till the rear is bald and then replace them as a pair and keep your money in your pocket, If they are knackered though, you'll need inner tubes as well as new tyre's because they could be 11 years old as well.
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PostSubject: Re: Tyre Questions   Tyre Questions Icon_minitimeTue Aug 06, 2013 5:01 pm

I agree.
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PostSubject: Re: Tyre Questions   Tyre Questions Icon_minitimeTue Aug 06, 2013 5:16 pm

That's all fine but we're talking about two pieces of rubber that were exposed to elements for 11 years...10 of which I don't know how much.
Both tyres look great...smooth, no cracks.

I've read a bit on it and general voice is that you have to be either stupid or a gambling type to run on rubber that old. And it's not about thread or cracks...just the rubber compound as whole, that degrades from day 1.

I'm really confused now.
Would you happily ride on 11 year old tyres until they're worn out ? Did you ever ride on such old tyres?
I got over 5mm thread left front and rear...that will take me 2 years maybe more to wear out.
Thing to bear in mind is that we're talking about taking oem tyres, not some custom ones, to ripe age of 13/14 years.

I really don't know what to think about it with all the contradicting information.
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PostSubject: Re: Tyre Questions   Tyre Questions Icon_minitimeTue Aug 06, 2013 5:18 pm

It makes no difference whether Sim or I would use the tyre at the end of the day mate, if you are not comfortable with it, bin it.
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PostSubject: Re: Tyre Questions   Tyre Questions Icon_minitimeTue Aug 06, 2013 6:13 pm

Have you had any issues with your tyre's over the last 12 months? would you have doubted them had you not known how old they are? Probably not, I personally don't think your riding style warrants any radical action to be taken on the purchase of new tyre's, As you should, even with with a new tyre, Check it over every time you ride the bike to put your safety first and your mind at ease, Like Dave says though, if your not comfortable with it, bin it and go and spend some money.

ps. 9 years 9k on the front of the SV without issue.
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PostSubject: Re: Tyre Questions   Tyre Questions Icon_minitimeTue Aug 06, 2013 6:43 pm

I must fall into the same category as Simbo and Mr Intruder "either stupid or a gambling type"   Tyre Questions 3213823784  As I wouldn't change them either. I know in the ideal world we should all have enough money to abide by all the sell by and use by dates that this world now comprises of but for some of us that ain't the case. Mr I and Sim have summed it up for me in what has been said here in the posts above and also with the quote in another thread which went along the lines of it is "safe" at 11.59 today it ain't gone bad at 1 minute past midnight  but I also agree that only you can make that call and if you think they ain't safe that may actually compromise your riding due to mental attitude if you do not have confidence in what you are on so it would make sense in that case to throw them in the bin and buy some nice new ones


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PostSubject: Re: Tyre Questions   Tyre Questions Icon_minitimeTue Aug 06, 2013 6:50 pm

Sim,
Correct...ignorance is bliss :/

Dave,
Good point

Crash,
Agreed...if it'll freak me out on the road I'm better to change them.
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PostSubject: Re: Tyre Questions   Tyre Questions Icon_minitimeTue Aug 06, 2013 7:36 pm

tell your missis it's dangerous and you have to change them strait away for safety reasons then say no maybe i'll just wait till we have some spare money then when she says I worry about you riding with those tyres by new white walls YAY and lets face it stock tyres are always crap IMO Tyre Questions 3005623951
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PostSubject: Re: Tyre Questions   Tyre Questions Icon_minitimeTue Aug 06, 2013 7:52 pm

Marcin, For your own peace of mind it looks like you need to change your tyres, other wise you will not enjoy riding your bike due to worrying about the tyres.
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PostSubject: Re: Tyre Questions   Tyre Questions Icon_minitimeTue Aug 06, 2013 8:03 pm

white walls, white wall, white walls!!!!! hehehe
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PostSubject: Re: Tyre Questions   Tyre Questions Icon_minitimeWed Aug 07, 2013 1:12 am

Have a look on this site Marcin, you will be able to read up on the different tyres as well a getting a price.

http://www.moto-tyres.co.uk/
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PostSubject: Re: Tyre Questions   Tyre Questions Icon_minitimeThu Aug 08, 2013 12:13 am

I've read the motorcycle portal from the link above, It states that a tyre is at it's best up to several years (5 to be precise) and should not be used or fitted once ten years old, But also states that a test was done under "Race conditions" on a track between a 5 year old tyre and a new one, and the difference was negligible! Hmmm? Ten year old tyre on a Cruiser, Cruising the A roads kinda sounds OK to me.

Verdict, That out of date White Mars bar don't taste any different to that new Brown one, It just cost more and keeps Mr Mars bar in a job. Happy riding which ever you choose Tyre Questions 3498837457
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PostSubject: Re: Tyre Questions   Tyre Questions Icon_minitimeThu Aug 08, 2013 10:54 am

I believe I've read the same thing.

Well anyway I made the choice much clearer for myself yesterday.
As you recommended Sim I inspected the tyres pretty much inch by inch, took measurements across the lot and I found areas that are down to 1,5mm (rear of course) and I found wear/cracks forming in grooves.(hard to spot little buggers)
That pretty much sorts it.

Ain't it the truth that when the shit hits the fan it goes all out.... just called my mechanic and he's selling the tyre machines...
Other fella I found that does mobile fitting bowed out and said he can't do mine (probably because of shaft drive) so I'm looking around now....Tyre Questions 1819138991 

Depending on the deal I'll go for ME880's, Venom's or Commander 2's...and then paint them white anyway :)
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PostSubject: Re: Tyre Questions   Tyre Questions Icon_minitimeThu Aug 08, 2013 11:01 am

If you want white walls why not buy them now instead of painting new tyres,false economy,obviously up to you,but the difference in price is small,and bought white walls  look better.
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PostSubject: Re: Tyre Questions   Tyre Questions Icon_minitimeThu Aug 08, 2013 11:04 am

Just because I already bought the paint mate...no other reason.
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PostSubject: Re: Tyre Questions   Tyre Questions Icon_minitimeThu Aug 08, 2013 1:12 pm

That's interesting...I phoned up a local garage to get a quote for either Venoms or Commanders and the guy went..."but...they're tubeless tyres...and you require tubes..."

Something tells me I should look for another garage that knows that you can fit these tyres on our Intruders with tubes in.
I would never think that this is something uncommon.(?)
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PostSubject: Re: Tyre Questions   Tyre Questions Icon_minitimeThu Aug 08, 2013 1:36 pm

There is a thread on this forum somewhere dealing with is topic of tubeless tyres with tubes in, if I remember rightly someone had explained it in some detail.
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PostSubject: Re: Tyre Questions   Tyre Questions Icon_minitimeThu Aug 08, 2013 2:57 pm

Sorted....
getting Avon's fitted tomorrow.
Cobra on front
Venom on rear
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PostSubject: Re: Tyre Questions   Tyre Questions Icon_minitimeThu Aug 08, 2013 3:30 pm

don't paint them till they're three years old.
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PostSubject: Re: Tyre Questions   Tyre Questions Icon_minitimeThu Aug 08, 2013 3:42 pm

roger that

is that down to some chemical reaction?
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PostSubject: Re: Tyre Questions   Tyre Questions Icon_minitimeThu Aug 08, 2013 4:01 pm

marcin wrote:

Sorted....
getting Avon's fitted tomorrow.
Cobra on front
Venom on rear
I,m pleased you have got your tyres sorted , you will feel all the better now when you ride your bike, I,m a firm believer in safety first even if it does cost money.
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PostSubject: Re: Tyre Questions   Tyre Questions Icon_minitimeThu Aug 08, 2013 4:12 pm

Very good choice Marcin I have the same tyres fitted on mine,excellant combination.
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PostSubject: Re: Tyre Questions   Tyre Questions Icon_minitimeThu Aug 08, 2013 4:38 pm

Michelin Commander 2's were on backorder, otherwise I'd go for that.

But Avon's are cool too...just not sure why they couldn't do front Venoms....seems odd.
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PostSubject: Re: Tyre Questions   Tyre Questions Icon_minitimeThu Aug 08, 2013 5:08 pm

Why you have ordered 2 different makes of tyre rather than sticking the same one on back and front?
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PostSubject: Re: Tyre Questions   Tyre Questions Icon_minitimeThu Aug 08, 2013 5:23 pm

Different makes? Theyre both avon.
cobra at front, venom at back. As per avon website.
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PostSubject: Re: Tyre Questions   Tyre Questions Icon_minitimeThu Aug 08, 2013 5:26 pm

Oh OK
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PostSubject: Re: Tyre Questions   Tyre Questions Icon_minitimeThu Aug 08, 2013 5:28 pm

No clue why avon doesnt make front venoms for vl...not a popular size maybe
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PostSubject: Re: Tyre Questions   Tyre Questions Icon_minitimeThu Aug 08, 2013 6:13 pm

MarcinG wrote:
roger that

is that down to some chemical reaction?

Not sure mate? something bleeds into the paint when they're new and turns the paint brown apparently, How much you pay for the Avons if you don't mind me asking?.
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PostSubject: Re: Tyre Questions   Tyre Questions Icon_minitimeThu Aug 08, 2013 10:14 pm

Marcin Avon recomend Cobra front and Venom rear on the M series as well,I changed my front from Venom to Cobra in March of this year,and all is well.
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PostSubject: Re: Tyre Questions   Tyre Questions Icon_minitimeFri Aug 09, 2013 6:00 pm

Just came back on new ones.
Sim, 235 all included.

Makes me wonder though...no balancing weights have been put on, just old removed.
Is that normal/possible?
May I add the ride now is great. No wobble and actually less vibrations.
proves what a piece of rock hard shit my old ones were.
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PostSubject: Re: Tyre Questions   Tyre Questions Icon_minitimeFri Aug 09, 2013 6:54 pm

No balancing weights, Hmmmmm very strange. Never known that.
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PostSubject: Re: Tyre Questions   Tyre Questions Icon_minitimeFri Aug 09, 2013 7:01 pm

Marcin, Sounds like a bargain Tyre Questions 3498837457 Not sure on the weights? if there's no wobble or strange vibrations it should be ok, don't forget to take it easy on the lean angles for the first 100 mile till the tyre's scrub in.
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PostSubject: Re: Tyre Questions   Tyre Questions Icon_minitimeFri Aug 09, 2013 8:53 pm

Dave, me neither until today.

Some say if it feels ok then just roll with it..literally.
I will enquire tomorrow anyway.

Sim, yes, I was expecting more. 
I will take it easy on corners, promise :)
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PostSubject: Re: Tyre Questions   Tyre Questions Icon_minitimeFri Aug 09, 2013 9:25 pm

If it feels alright, with no vibration or wobble, then it's fine the weights are to balance the wheels to stop vibration and wobbling, if there is none then weights are not required.
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PostSubject: Re: Tyre Questions   Tyre Questions Icon_minitimeSat Aug 10, 2013 4:08 pm

Right then...just came back from first proper ride.

Since I never actually dealt with new tyres on bike I can only assume that at if there was any unusual vibration, wobble, I would feel it at 70mph?

The ride is slightly different in terms of how bike feels on the road but I guess that's the break-in in progress.

Other than that I'd say that the bike vibrates as usual (judging by how well I can see in the mirrors :))

Mechanic was closed/away so will have to enquire on Monday just to double check.
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PostSubject: Re: Tyre Questions   Tyre Questions Icon_minitimeSat Aug 10, 2013 8:38 pm

very strange not to have weights on front wheel but hay ho I aint got none on my back wheel though although you can have the rear balanced as well if you want I normally scrub in for 100 miles then then bed em in proper by 300 miles I ride how ever I want
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PostSubject: Re: Tyre Questions   Tyre Questions Icon_minitimeSat May 17, 2014 9:05 pm

Update on balancing.

I finally got around balancing my front wheel on my own after purchasing the balancer from Sealey.
The result was rather shocking and makes me wonder how the hell I rode before.

I levelled out the balancer, chucked the wheel on and whoosh! it turned... tried again...whoosh it dropped like a stone. I though...that's massively unbalanced.

So I started adding weights...5, 10....another 10...another 5....what the hell?
I found the sweet spot where the wheel rests at any rotation given....
Total:
65g!!!!!!!!! affraid  affraid  affraid 
30 on one side, 35 on opposite.
I checked it 3 times from scratch to make sure.

Is it just me or is that a mad amount?
The heavy point was where the valve is.

I took the bike out for a quick spin, floored it and my God it runs smooth now. No wonder I had so many issues with mirror shake.
Result.

Then I got a mild sunstroke and slept through the rest of this beautiful day to recover.  Tyre Questions 880307
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PostSubject: Re: Tyre Questions   Tyre Questions Icon_minitimeSat May 17, 2014 9:40 pm

Yes - tyres can go off with age, but you will get fair warning of a drop off in performance - where it is likely to catch you out is in cases of hard braking or hard acceleration in damp conditions. But if you ride carefully you could wear them down to your 'target' level - BUT you only have yourself to blame if they let you down when you ask them to perform !

Any cracking in the tyre, especial in the treads is clearly a tyre that needs replacing.

One thing often missed is people think it is fine to use the tyres down to the 'legal limit' .... but the tractive & braking performance will have gone off before the legal limit is reached, which can actually be as 'bad' as running on old rubber.

The manufacturer quotes minimum tread depth for their bikes.
(For Example 1.6mm Front & 2.0mm Rear for VZ800 & VX800)

This is to prevent getting to the stage where the expected performance starts to drop off significantly.
The Yorkshire man in us can allow us to get 'a bit more mileage' out of the tyre - but there will be a progressive drop off in how well that worn tyre will look after you. 

.... At the end of the day it is cheaper to replace a tyre early .... than have to do unnecessary repairs if you lose control of your bike & drop it !  - There are only two relatively small patches of rubber keeping your pride & joy 'shiney side up' - so it is in your interest to keep on top of those contact patches !

Cheers  Tyre Questions 256401  Yam


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PostSubject: Re: Tyre Questions   Tyre Questions Icon_minitimeSat May 17, 2014 9:43 pm

MarcinG wrote:
Update on balancing.
65g!!!!!!!!! affraid  affraid  affraid 
30 on one side, 35 on opposite.
I checked it 3 times from scratch to make sure.

Is it just me or is that a mad amount?
The heavy point was where the valve is.

I took the bike out for a quick spin, floored it and my God it runs smooth now. No wonder I had so many issues with mirror shake.
Result.

Not sure what mine weighs? It's about the size of a small child though! (opposite valve)
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