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PostSubject: Not Happy (Nail in Tyre)   Not Happy (Nail in Tyre) Icon_minitimeFri Apr 24, 2015 6:12 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Not Happy (Nail in Tyre)   Not Happy (Nail in Tyre) Icon_minitimeFri Apr 24, 2015 6:17 pm

That's a bit of a bummer Andy, is the tyre a write off? it looks too close to edge of the tyre to be repairable, personally I always replace, I don't like riding on repaired motorcycle tyres.
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PostSubject: Re: Not Happy (Nail in Tyre)   Not Happy (Nail in Tyre) Icon_minitimeFri Apr 24, 2015 6:19 pm

New tyre too?....thats a sickener!
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PostSubject: Re: Not Happy (Nail in Tyre)   Not Happy (Nail in Tyre) Icon_minitimeFri Apr 24, 2015 6:48 pm

That needs to be changed.
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PostSubject: Re: Not Happy (Nail in Tyre)   Not Happy (Nail in Tyre) Icon_minitimeFri Apr 24, 2015 7:15 pm

I'd take the screw out and if it goes down? I'd plug it.
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PostSubject: Re: Not Happy (Nail in Tyre)   Not Happy (Nail in Tyre) Icon_minitimeFri Apr 24, 2015 7:39 pm

I agree with Sim, pull it and plug it. Then pop some puncture safe in the back and front tyres for added protection.
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PostSubject: Re: Not Happy (Nail in Tyre)   Not Happy (Nail in Tyre) Icon_minitimeFri Apr 24, 2015 8:12 pm

That looks a real bummer ! ..... & a screw in a new tyre too .... That is really unlucky as new tyres are usually more resilient to puncturing.

I think it is probably within the range where a repair could be undertaken, but it would be better done by removing the tyre from the rim, rather than the DIY plugs you can fit at the roadside.

Always a personal choice, but whilst a repair is possible, it is clear that a replacement tyre is the 'safest' option.

Hope that whatever you choose it provides you with a serviceable outcome.

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PostSubject: Re: Not Happy (Nail in Tyre)   Not Happy (Nail in Tyre) Icon_minitimeFri Apr 24, 2015 9:41 pm

I would have it plugged.
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PostSubject: Re: Not Happy (Nail in Tyre)   Not Happy (Nail in Tyre) Icon_minitimeSat Apr 25, 2015 10:31 am

New tyre required, can not be repaired as it is to close to the sidewall. Its only done a couple of hundred miles  Not Happy (Nail in Tyre) 3307848339 , just ordered a new one £82 delivered, could have done without that, oh well. At least I can give the rear end a damn good clean now the wheel is out Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Not Happy (Nail in Tyre)   Not Happy (Nail in Tyre) Icon_minitimeSat Apr 25, 2015 10:46 am

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New tyre required, can not be repaired as it is to close to the sidewall. Its only done a couple of hundred miles  Not Happy (Nail in Tyre) 3307848339 , just ordered a new one £82 delivered, could have done without that, oh well. At least I can give the rear end a damn good clean now the wheel is out Very Happy

I had a feeling I,d read something about over so many mm from tyre centre it cant be repaired, its a bit of a git but it happens to all of us at sometime, personally I think a new tyre is the way to go rather than a repair.

Anyone got any opinions on the product I think they call 'Slime'.
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PostSubject: Re: Not Happy (Nail in Tyre)   Not Happy (Nail in Tyre) Icon_minitimeSat Apr 25, 2015 11:00 am

Slime and other 'puncture assistance' products (Tyre-weld etc) are only meant to be a temporary solution, and are not meant to restore the 'pre-puncture' performance of the tyre. (i.e. they are not guaranteed for the original speed rating of the tyre). There will be a speed limit for such products - from memory Tyre-Weld is 50mph - so it is only really a stop gap till you can get to the repair shop.

Usually tyres can be repaired if the puncture is on the running face of the tyre & not in the shoulder or side-wall. From the photo Andrew's tyre looks as if it could be repairable. It will depend on which direction the nail or screw has travelled into the tyre & that is best assessed with the tyre off the rim. As I mentioned above, once removed the tyre could possibly be repaired at a tyre shop that has vulcanisation repair service. There the 'head' of the repair plug is quite wide to ensure it properly bonds to the tyre carcase - if there is room to accommodate the head of the plug on the inside of the tyre , without the head running up the shoulder onto the sidewall, then it should be repairable, and you would end up with a serviceable tyre that should be near as dammit 'good as new'

As stated above - the 'safest' option is a new replacement tyre - & I would not argue with that - but I would bet that the discarded tyre would end up getting repaired & would be offered for sale elsewhere !

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PostSubject: Re: Not Happy (Nail in Tyre)   Not Happy (Nail in Tyre) Icon_minitimeSat Apr 25, 2015 11:04 am

Hello all,
A British standard exists for motorcycle tyre repairs (BSAU159f), which determines the strength of the repair and where it can and can’t be made in the tyre.
Being a British Standard, it is a recommendation only, and not the law.
BSAU159f states that no repairs are allowed in the sidewalls (these flex continuously and a repair is likely to fail), and the standard says repairs are not allowed on high speed Z-rated tyres.
It says a tyre must be inspected by an expert for secondary damage (a nail which punctures the tread might also damage the sidewall inside), run-flat damage (determined by a darkened or marbled appearance inside the sidewall), exposed cords and so on.
Michelin, however, is the only manufacturer that recommends that its Z rated tyres can be repaired in accordance with the previous BSAU159e.
Repairs can only be made in the centre of the tread area, to within 25% of each side of the centre line.
Only two repairs per tyre are allowed up to the J (62mph) speed rating, and one up to the V (over 130mph with 155mph maximum) speed rating. Up to the J rating, repairs no bigger than 6mm are allowed, and up to the V rating only up to 3mm is allowed.
All repairs must be carried out with a mushroom-type plug, which fits into the puncture hole from the inside and bonds with the tyre by vulcanisation.
Anything else and the BS says the tyre must be chucked.I Believe this standard is still in place today.
All that said,, I would have put a mushroom-type plug in it if it were my tyre,, it always baffles me when it come to puncture repair,, some people will not fix a puncture quoting to close to the side wall ( and it can be,that is a very real danger) yet quite happily continue to use a tyre that has been punctured if the tyre has had a tyre seal fluid installed in the tyre and self sealed itself.
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PostSubject: Re: Not Happy (Nail in Tyre)   Not Happy (Nail in Tyre) Icon_minitimeSat Apr 25, 2015 11:22 am

I think you are doing the right thing in buying a new tyre, best to be safe than sorry.
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New tyre required, can not be repaired as it is to close to the sidewall.

I'm not knocking you, you've done what you thought best and that's all that matters  Not Happy (Nail in Tyre) 3498837457  It could easily have been repaired with a mushroom type plug though and lasted the life of the tyre, I've done it to mine and my son's bikes without issue whatsoever, it's just another case of health and safety gone mad and tyre garages won't repair them because in the 'remote chance' it failed? people would claim compensation and the pc brigade would be on their backs, remember the days when you could get a puncture repaired anywhere on the tread pattern with no questions asked? then it was an inch from the side, nowadays they don't even bother repairing them and just scare you into buying a new tyre, all just my opinion obviously, but how many people do you know who've had tyre failures after being plugged?.
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PostSubject: Re: Not Happy (Nail in Tyre)   Not Happy (Nail in Tyre) Icon_minitimeSat Apr 25, 2015 12:26 pm

Never known a puncture repair to fail, when I bought my new er6f a few years ago from Colchester I got a puncture 2 miles down the road!!! Rac came out and repaired it and the op showed me his back wheel, 4 puncture repairs via mushroom!!!! the same as he stuck in my bike tyre HE knew how reliable they where and unless you are doing stupid speeds all the time and getting your knee down on every roundabout a repair will see out the life of the tyre, going back 20/30 years we all had puncture repairs in our cars and never thought twice about them I think as we get older and have more disposable income we simply opt for the safer option because we can afford it our brains con us into doing it!! How many people still use an iron with a frayed flex! I am sure most people our age can remember mum with one, and yet if it where us we would bin and replace.
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PostSubject: Re: Not Happy (Nail in Tyre)   Not Happy (Nail in Tyre) Icon_minitimeSat Apr 25, 2015 12:32 pm

hawktheslayer wrote:
I think as we get older and have more disposable income we simply opt for the safer option
A good point.
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I have had 4 opinions so far today, 2 said we do not repair bike tyres as it can invalidate your insurance and the other said they can only repair tyres in the center of the tyre (upto a max of 60% of the tyre width from the centre). I was also told that they cannot repair my tyre as it has a 'ZR' speed rating. I am going to get a mushroom type repair kit and keep it on the bike for emergencies but I agree that it could be repaired and would 'probably' be ok. I have also had a chat to a guy I know (who I trust) and he said that any repair done on the roadside is only rated at a max speed of 40/50mph and should be replaced by a permanent repair or new tyre as soon as possible. So with all of the above I decided to get a new tyre.
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v-twin wrote:
 I was also told that they cannot repair my tyre as it has a 'ZR' speed rating. So with all of the above I decided to get a new tyre.

Why an 150mph+ speed rating tyre on the VX Andrew?, I respect your decision, for £80 ish quid plus the cost of fitting it removes any element of doubt  Not Happy (Nail in Tyre) 3498837457
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v-twin wrote:
 I was also told that they cannot repair my tyre as it has a 'ZR' speed rating. So with all of the above I decided to get a new tyre.

Why an 150mph+ speed rating tyre on the VX Andrew?, I respect your decision, for £80 ish quid plus the cost of fitting it removes any element of doubt  Not Happy (Nail in Tyre) 3498837457

When I was looking for new tyres I decided I wanted Radials and not x-ply. I also wanted dual compound and I liked the idea of using the latest 'tyre technology' and the fast-warm up of the Storm. I do on occasion like to make progress and wanted as much grip as I could afford and the Avon Storm X-M seemed to fit the bill (I also liked the look of them and I also liked the name Not Happy (Nail in Tyre) 852880 ), they just ended up being 'ZR' rated.

The new tyre will cost me £82 (including delivery) + £5 fitting and as you say for that amount its peace of mind. If the screw had gone through the centre of the tyre I think I would have repaired it to be honest.

On the plus side I giving the rear a damn good clean while the wheel is out. On the negative side (besides the cost) she will be off the road for the week.
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PostSubject: Re: Not Happy (Nail in Tyre)   Not Happy (Nail in Tyre) Icon_minitimeSat Apr 25, 2015 6:27 pm

Get it repaired and stick it on ebay, be honest about the puncture someone will buy it.
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hawktheslayer wrote:
Get it repaired and stick it on ebay, be honest about the puncture someone will buy it.
I had thought about doing that but I'm not sure if I could do it to be honest. I felt bad enough when I sold my old helmet, it had never been dropped or anything but it just seemed wrong!!
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So long as your honest theres no reason to feel bad! people arnt actually stupid! most of the time, so long as you list it, write it and picture it. Just because your unsure about running on it doesn't mean that the bloke next door earning minimum wage gives a sh*t, think of it as charity! we can afford to buy new and throw the old out, not everyone has that option.
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Not Happy (Nail in Tyre) 996187811  Well said Justin. Not Happy (Nail in Tyre) 2215087486
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PostSubject: Re: Not Happy (Nail in Tyre)   Not Happy (Nail in Tyre) Icon_minitimeSun Apr 26, 2015 10:32 am

Yep ... one mans trash could be another man's saviour. All a question of horses for courses.
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PostSubject: Re: Not Happy (Nail in Tyre)   Not Happy (Nail in Tyre) Icon_minitimeSun Apr 26, 2015 12:56 pm

I agree with Justin - if you're up-front about the repair, it could be a god-send to someone who desperately needs a new tyre for the MOT, but has had a bad month.  I'm just about to list the pair that I took off when I fitted the Whitewalls - someone will be grateful.

Another thing Justin - what's an "Iron" ??
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katsd wrote:
what's an "Iron" ??
A golf club innit?  Not Happy (Nail in Tyre) 852880
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That'd explain why I had no idea
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It hides in the same cupboard as the washing machine, ask your wife to show you its one of those secrets women like to keep to them selves so I am told Not Happy (Nail in Tyre) 3213823784
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PostSubject: Re: Not Happy (Nail in Tyre)   Not Happy (Nail in Tyre) Icon_minitimeMon Apr 27, 2015 8:10 am

Would that be the same cupboard that contains the famed item known as "The Vack Ume" ?
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Yes but I believe sim calls it the suck monster! Not Happy (Nail in Tyre) 2343124779
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No Justin,  that's what his old man calls it. hyst
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Ooo-er Hetty looks like she can suck the fluid strait from your loins. affraid
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