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PostSubject: Suzuki C800, Bullet Rev-Counter * Baron    Suzuki C800, Bullet Rev-Counter * Baron   Icon_minitimeFri Mar 04, 2011 8:07 pm

This is a lovelly looking rev counter but is a bitch to get working properly
The Baron connectors didnt seem to fit very well to the coils making the needle very jumpy and reading most of the time at half revs
I stripped everything back to basics that Baron had sent and put all the connectors in the bin and started again. This time with all new connectors from the local hardware store that did fit properly, I then reinstalled the tach and this time everything is working properly.
The baron piggyback connectors were weak and one broke and they as well as all other connectors don’t seem to fit properly and I would argue hat the proof of that is that it all works properly now.
I hope this thread can help others as I have read so many similar problems all over the net which was making me think that I had made a massive mistake with this product. However my problem has been solved and it does make me wonder how many others out there have connected there’s up thinking that the current is flowing properly but actually isn’t causing them problems.

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PostSubject: Re: Suzuki C800, Bullet Rev-Counter * Baron    Suzuki C800, Bullet Rev-Counter * Baron   Icon_minitimeFri Sep 02, 2011 4:27 pm

Does the rev counter light up at night time?
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PostSubject: Re: Suzuki C800, Bullet Rev-Counter * Baron    Suzuki C800, Bullet Rev-Counter * Baron   Icon_minitimeFri Sep 02, 2011 4:38 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Suzuki C800, Bullet Rev-Counter * Baron    Suzuki C800, Bullet Rev-Counter * Baron   Icon_minitimeThu May 24, 2012 9:00 pm

theres no red line on it (because it fits different bikes) do you know how many revs your bike does before your redlineing probaly a silly question but id like one for my bike that way i could tell that im not kaneing the arss out of it when exellerateing hard from a stand still till i hit top gear . looks great by the way
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PostSubject: Re: Suzuki C800, Bullet Rev-Counter * Baron    Suzuki C800, Bullet Rev-Counter * Baron   Icon_minitimeThu May 24, 2012 9:24 pm

That looks good Suzuki C800, Bullet Rev-Counter * Baron   2645662097
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PostSubject: Re: Suzuki C800, Bullet Rev-Counter * Baron    Suzuki C800, Bullet Rev-Counter * Baron   Icon_minitimeThu May 24, 2012 11:48 pm

fat intruder wrote:
theres no red line on it (because it fits different bikes) do you know how many revs your bike does before your redlineing probaly a silly question but id like one for my bike that way i could tell that im not kaneing the arss out of it when exellerateing hard from a stand still till i hit top gear . looks great by the way

Morgan .... peak power on the 800 engine is produced at 6000 rpm with the "redline" being at between 7500 - 8000 I believe. But the benefit of this engine is that peak torque comes in at 3500 rpm. I would think these stats wouldn't be a lot different (if at all) for the 750 bud
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PostSubject: Re: Suzuki C800, Bullet Rev-Counter * Baron    Suzuki C800, Bullet Rev-Counter * Baron   Icon_minitimeFri May 25, 2012 4:24 pm

so if i get one fitted (in the future) changeing gear at 6000 to7000 would be about right then if giveing it a blast or for example if on the motorway go anything up to about 6000 and the engines not takeing to much of a beeting nice imfo thanks . i thought id put the bike to the test after id had it about 4 weeks so waited for a race of the lights with a boy racer (theres loads around were i live ) dident have to wait long just a few days till a lad in a corsa tryed doing me from a red light reving his engine waiting for lights to change what a cock he must have thort cruser there not fast ha ha left him for dust but did get cort out in second gear the bike was pulling like a train and before i could change into third it hit its max (full revs in the red if it had a rev counter) but seemed to get there without letting up at all untill it got there by the time i was going into forth gear he was a speck in my mirror cant say i make my bike work that hard normally but you have to see what your bike can do every now and again i did get used to haveing a rev counter on my last bike and used to take it to 11,000 in every gaer from first to top (lean over the tank and hold on tight) allways good fun
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PostSubject: Re: Suzuki C800, Bullet Rev-Counter * Baron    Suzuki C800, Bullet Rev-Counter * Baron   Icon_minitimeSun Nov 30, 2014 2:13 pm

Hi, I'm writing on this old post because, regardless of everybody's warnings, I decided to get my 2012 M800 one Baron Mini Bullet Tach (including the single-fire adapter).
Since my foot is still not that well (broke my fibula 2 months ago), and mostly because I'm not that good a hand with electrical things, I took the bike to a good, old-style mechanic (he did wonders on my 2001 Yamaha Fazer).

I left him with the complete translation of the 4th page of the manual, where all connections are described. He realized that Baron's connectors are not to be trusted, so that's no issue. The problem - as I understand it from his description - is that the ground connection goes through the electrical box, and he is concerned that this might give some problems or alarms or don't-know-what. He hasn't tried turning the bike on, he contacted the local Suzuki dealer for information but they have no experience of these modifications, so they don't know if anything unfortunate might happen. Could any of you guys enlighten me on the subject?
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PostSubject: Re: Suzuki C800, Bullet Rev-Counter * Baron    Suzuki C800, Bullet Rev-Counter * Baron   Icon_minitimeSun Nov 30, 2014 2:22 pm

My bad, page 6 of the manual - the last one
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PostSubject: Re: Suzuki C800, Bullet Rev-Counter * Baron    Suzuki C800, Bullet Rev-Counter * Baron   Icon_minitimeSun Nov 30, 2014 5:30 pm

Hope all works out well for you Raph, they are a nice looking bit of kit for sure  Suzuki C800, Bullet Rev-Counter * Baron   184121345 Keep us informed on your findings please
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PostSubject: Re: Suzuki C800, Bullet Rev-Counter * Baron    Suzuki C800, Bullet Rev-Counter * Baron   Icon_minitimeSun Nov 30, 2014 9:02 pm

As already said, keep us up to date. I for one will be interested to see how you get on.
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PostSubject: Re: Suzuki C800, Bullet Rev-Counter * Baron    Suzuki C800, Bullet Rev-Counter * Baron   Icon_minitimeMon Dec 08, 2014 4:08 pm

Hey, just a quick update: the tachometer is mounted, it's working although the needle shakes quite a bit while on idle. Tomorrow afternoon I'll take her to Verona for her yearly (annual?) check-up and, in the evening, I'll post "the tale" with pictures and impressions.
I wanted to add one photograph here too, but I can't convince my f...ing phone to do it, sorry about that -_-'
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PostSubject: Re: Suzuki C800, Bullet Rev-Counter * Baron    Suzuki C800, Bullet Rev-Counter * Baron   Icon_minitimeMon Dec 08, 2014 4:59 pm

Look forward to it Raph  Suzuki C800, Bullet Rev-Counter * Baron   3498837457
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PostSubject: Re: Suzuki C800, Bullet Rev-Counter * Baron    Suzuki C800, Bullet Rev-Counter * Baron   Icon_minitimeTue Dec 09, 2014 7:01 pm

Ok, here's what I found out while riding today (the post about fitting will follow shortly)

Start-up: the needle shakes around 1500 rpm, which I believe is correct since the bike has just been turned and needs to warm up.

I got out of town - not watching the instruments, just making sure that none of my damned fellow citizens run me over - and onto the autostrada (highway). 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 5th one after the other, changing gear somewhere around 5000 rpm.

Here comes the wrong note: between 3000 and 4000 rpm, while riding at constant speeds (90, 95, 100, and 105 km/h - 56, 59, 62, and 65 mph) the needle doesn't just shake, it moves back and forth with in a range of 500-600 rpm - i.e., if at 100 km/h it should show ~3750 rpm, it moves between 3500 and 4000, moving regularly every second.
Once the 4000 rpm mark is passed, though, it becomes very regular - at 110 km/h (68 mph) it was showing ~4100 rpm, quite precisely.

I have a borderline OCD, which should make me crazy right now, but the funny thing is it doesn't. First of all, I usually ride at speeds that are either lower or higher than the ones I wrote here, so I would rarely witness this defect. Second, I only need a tachometer to make sure I don't keep the engine in the too-high or too-low revs for too long. But of course, if anyone needs a precise reading at all occasions, this is not the instrument for him/her.

Once back at the garage, with the bike on idle, the needle was shaking around 1000 rpm, so I guess that it had warmed up after 110 km ;-)

Here's a couple of pictures

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PostSubject: Re: Suzuki C800, Bullet Rev-Counter * Baron    Suzuki C800, Bullet Rev-Counter * Baron   Icon_minitimeTue Dec 09, 2014 7:35 pm

Now, as far as the installation went: each cylinder has two coils, Sergio (my trusted mechanic) and I had no idea
if it made any difference which ones were used, and Baron's instructions gave no clue...





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For the rear cylinder, coils can only be reached by pulling out the battery.
Sergio chose to solder the blue cable from Baron's adapter to the negative (as per instructions) of the top rear coil (easier to reach).







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Coils for the front cylinder are both hard to reach, Sergio chose the right-side one.
He soldered the yellow cable from Baron's adapter to the negative (as per instructions) of this front coil.




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The adapter was allocated under the tank, to be about mid-way between the front and rear coils,
and to be protected from the rain. The green wire from the adapter connects directly to the green wire from the tach.







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The red and yellow cables from the tach connect to a 12-V positive source, the black cable to a ground (chassis).
Sergio chose this relais (in front of the battery) for all three, making sure that when the bike is of, the tach is off as well.







Here's a few pictures of the tachometer in place.
I really like it, it fits quite well and I enjoy the different lights when I start the engine!


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One last note: this is the Mini-Bullet Tachometer, but the instructions are the same for the regular-sized one, as you can see on Baron's site
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PostSubject: Re: Suzuki C800, Bullet Rev-Counter * Baron    Suzuki C800, Bullet Rev-Counter * Baron   Icon_minitimeTue Dec 09, 2014 8:07 pm

Great to read you got on well with it, good shout on the instructable. Suzuki C800, Bullet Rev-Counter * Baron   3498837457
Is there now any bouncing around of the needle?
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PostSubject: Re: Suzuki C800, Bullet Rev-Counter * Baron    Suzuki C800, Bullet Rev-Counter * Baron   Icon_minitimeTue Dec 09, 2014 8:10 pm

Looks cool Raph! Nice write up too  Suzuki C800, Bullet Rev-Counter * Baron   2170595768
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PostSubject: Re: Suzuki C800, Bullet Rev-Counter * Baron    Suzuki C800, Bullet Rev-Counter * Baron   Icon_minitimeTue Dec 09, 2014 10:36 pm

Dave: yes, there's a bit of shaking under 1500 rpm and, most annoyingly, a strong up-and-down between 3000 and 4000 rpm. It's weird that it starts exactly at 3000 and stops exactly at 4000, it's not gradual. I'll see if I can make a video of this in the next few days. But, as I said, the way I use the tach - checking it every once in a while - it doesn't bother me.

Sim: Thanks for the compliment, I've found a lot of help on this forum Suzuki C800, Bullet Rev-Counter * Baron   881924  and it feels good to give something back - even if it's just to help others know what tach they DON'T want Suzuki C800, Bullet Rev-Counter * Baron   852880 Though the looks of it are quite fantastic
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PostSubject: Re: Suzuki C800, Bullet Rev-Counter * Baron    Suzuki C800, Bullet Rev-Counter * Baron   Icon_minitimeWed Dec 10, 2014 8:17 am

Thanks Raph, I may even pop my one back on and solder all the wires in place. Suzuki C800, Bullet Rev-Counter * Baron   3498837457
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PostSubject: Re: Suzuki C800, Bullet Rev-Counter * Baron    Suzuki C800, Bullet Rev-Counter * Baron   Icon_minitimeThu Dec 11, 2014 10:26 am

I've shot the video, sometime tonight I'll post it so you can see for yourself the shaking etc.

I was having a doubt though: is it possible that the wires from the adapter should have been connected to both coils of the same cylinder, rather than one of each?
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PostSubject: Re: Suzuki C800, Bullet Rev-Counter * Baron    Suzuki C800, Bullet Rev-Counter * Baron   Icon_minitimeThu Dec 11, 2014 11:58 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Suzuki C800, Bullet Rev-Counter * Baron    Suzuki C800, Bullet Rev-Counter * Baron   Icon_minitimeSat Dec 13, 2014 2:01 pm

Hi,
one thing came to my mind while looking at your video. It might be, that your tachometer is very sensitive to the handlebar shaking, because the shaking seems to resonate on specific revs.

So, try this: detach the meter from handlebar, maybe holding it in your hands, and start the engine, rev it around, and see, if the needle stutters at all while the meter is not vibrating from the handlebar.

If the meter is working fine that way, then you know, that the handlebar vibration is actually the issue, which you can try to get rid off having heavier handlebar weights, filling the handlebar with sand, or something like that.
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PostSubject: Re: Suzuki C800, Bullet Rev-Counter * Baron    Suzuki C800, Bullet Rev-Counter * Baron   Icon_minitimeSat Dec 13, 2014 3:14 pm

Hey, great idea! I'll try it in the next few days
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PostSubject: Re: Suzuki C800, Bullet Rev-Counter * Baron    Suzuki C800, Bullet Rev-Counter * Baron   Icon_minitimeSat Dec 13, 2014 5:42 pm

just an other idea if it is that try some rubber around the handlebar before fitting the rev counter might also help when added to other idea's
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PostSubject: Re: Suzuki C800, Bullet Rev-Counter * Baron    Suzuki C800, Bullet Rev-Counter * Baron   Icon_minitimeSat Dec 13, 2014 5:48 pm

Thumb up!
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PostSubject: Re: Suzuki C800, Bullet Rev-Counter * Baron    Suzuki C800, Bullet Rev-Counter * Baron   Icon_minitimeWed Dec 31, 2014 10:57 am

I found a How to... install a DragSpecialties or Baron Tacho on a FI bike. It has no pictures but I hope it helps!!

How to install a Tachometer
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PostSubject: Re: Suzuki C800, Bullet Rev-Counter * Baron    Suzuki C800, Bullet Rev-Counter * Baron   Icon_minitimeWed Dec 31, 2014 4:35 pm

Well done always worth keeping for reference.
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